As he was walking across our patio to his truck he heard a 'rattle' and discovered that he had just passed a rattlesnake coiled in front of our BBQ grill, a measly 2 feet away from him. Sometimes, but it’s not an absolute, and should not be used as a single method for identification of either species. Can anyone here help to settle this debate? I think something was wrong with that one. Northern Mohave Rattlesnake - Crotalus scutulatus scutulatus : Western Diamond-backed Rattlesnake - Crotalus atrox: There are 2 large scales between the supraoculars : There are 4 or more small scales between supraoculars. Post by Mrs.Oroblanco » Tue Apr 27, 2010 10:24 am I'm not sure about which snake in your area, but, in the area we lived in (Cochise county), we had mostly mojaves - in fact, only saw 2 rattlers that weren't. But, I don't know if its just the "greens" or if it was a regional thing, or, just a mojave rattler thing. He told me to NOT open the door or come outside, well I opened the door anyways and left the screen shut. We were in the Sulphur Hills area. Instead, more accurate identifications can be made by looking at the gestalt, or overall appearance and culmination of attributes of the animal. (The supraoculars are the large scales directly above each eye.). A light stripe extends from behind the eye diagonally to the upper lip in front of the end of the jaw. by reptilist » Mon Apr 26, 2010 6:44 pm, Post Any help would be deeply appreciated! Past due: Baby rattlesnakes are finally joining us. We're out in the country with wheat feilds on two sides of us. The thing I noticed about the mojaves (I took lots of pictures that I got to look at afterwards, and we have killed a couple), is that the black rings towards the rattle do not make a perfect circle - they all (the ones we saw) had matching black rings, but the one or 2 towards the rattle end did not meet perfectly. AZ ROC 321123, Arizona pool owners: avoid making a rattlesnake guest house. End of Rattlesnake Season Checklist – 8 Steps to Make Your Yard Rattlesnake Free this Winter. I had also put a spotlight on it to get a good look. by Jerry Feldner » Tue Apr 27, 2010 4:48 pm, Post While it is generally true that Mojave Rattlesnakes tend to have wider white bands compared to Western Diamondback Rattlesnakes, this can be problematic. Since it's not full on summer yet I'm unsure of this. Yep - most were quite green - and most were mojaves. Width of the Rings on the Tail Color of Ring Next to the Rattle Northern Mohave Rattlesnake - Crotalus scutulatus scutulatus Hello Cateyes, from my experience rattlesnakes move around both during the day and night but usually only one or two days before it rains. Rattlesnake in a house! by cateyes » Mon Apr 26, 2010 4:20 pm, Post It was the one place where we had one chase me. We did see more AFTER a monsoon rain - they were after the frogs that came up out of the ground, I think. I'm being treated like I'm stupid, LOL! In a quick post to our snake identification page on Facebook, this lead many people to incorrectly identify this snake as a Western Diamondback Rattlesnake, when the overall appearance is clearly that of a Mojave Rattlesnake. The rings were well defined and evenly spaced apart. by Mrs.Oroblanco » Wed Apr 28, 2010 5:00 pm, Post However, it can be much more complex than that. by reptilist » Mon Apr 26, 2010 7:22 pm, Post The same can be said for almost any feature, including the 2-scales between the eyes method. Copyright © 1996-document.write( new Date().getFullYear() ); DesertUSA.com and Digital West Media, Inc. Hello! This will be the only way to observe the supraocular scales. Yes, rattlesnakes can climb trees–this is normal. Here's my question. I did some research and thought it to be the Western Diamondback rather than the Mojave since the Mojave has rings where the white is spaced further apart from the black. I'm not sure about which snake in your area, but, in the area we lived in (Cochise county), we had mostly mojaves - in fact, only saw 2 rattlers that weren't. Copyright © 2020, Rattlesnake Solutions LLC. The color of the ring closest to the rattle. BTW, this is my first snake experience and I'm a bit spooked right now. ↳   History - Legends & Lore of the Superstitions, http://www.reptilesofaz.org/Snakes-Subp ... atrox.html, http://www.reptilesofaz.org/Snakes-Subp ... latus.html. by cateyes » Mon Apr 26, 2010 7:55 pm, Post ...from my experience rattlesnakes move around both during the day and night but usually only one or two days before it rains. Do we need to worry about being outside in the daytime right now or do the snakes come out just at night? by TradClimber » Mon Apr 26, 2010 7:25 pm, Post I usually have to tromp around in used mouse litter to get that kind of action. Hey, I wanted to clear up something about how to tell a difference between a Western Diamondback Rattlesnake and a Mojave rattlesnake, So the common misconception is that the tail bands are always gonna be wider in the Western Diamondback being about one to one or 50 percent each, White and black, where I'm a rattlesnake has much wider White bands bands to to black black at at at about about … Both Western Diamondback Rattlesnakes and Mojave Rattlesnakes have banded tails with a high degree of variability in color, pattern, and complexity. The white rings on the tail of the Mojave rattlesnake are wider than the black rings, and the dark diamond pattern fades as it reaches the tail. This Western Diamondback Rattlesnake is a good boy and following the rules with a clearly-marked tail banded at about 1:1 ratio of white to black. We were walking down the dirt road, no rattling, no nothing. I turned around to see behind me (a habit I have), and barreling as fast as he could, was a mojave, heading straight for us. This snake was over 3 feet long and had black and white rings just before the rattlers. Re: Mojave vs Western Diamondback? The general rule is that Western Diamondback Rattlesnakes have a banding on the tail in a roughly 1:1 ratio of white to black, while Mojave Rattlesnakes tend to have tail banding at 2:1 white to black. Humidity is more important to some reptile species than others. Since both of these species are dangerously venomous, I do not advise handling a snake. (Going from what I read) I'm now arguing with someone about which type of snake this could be, this other person says that the Western lives in the higher elevations rather than in the lower desert. He turned on the truck lights and we could see the snake in it's full glory as it slithered past me towards a tree. Here is a video that explains all of this: In general, when identifying a rattlesnake, it is not advised to focus on any single feature. by coazon de oro » Mon Apr 26, 2010 7:08 pm, Post I live in Yuma, AZ so anyone who knows this region should know what would be found here. The general rule is that Western Diamondback Rattlesnakes have a banding on the tail in a roughly 1:1 ratio of white to black, while Mojave Rattlesnakes tend to have tail banding at 2:1 white to black. I have another question I hope you can answer. Post Thank You! The tail banding is one feature that can be a clue to help someone unfamiliar with both species differentiate between them, but is not enough to make an absolute identification. If I am I would like to know and educate myself. The field marks below can help differentiate these two similar species of rattlesnake where their ranges overlap in California. How does this even happen? 8pm my husband left to get us some dinner. by Mrs.Oroblanco » Tue Apr 27, 2010 1:24 am, Post © 2000 - document.write((new Date()).getFullYear()); Pictorial Key to Venomous Species in United States. Instead, use binoculars, or take a picture with a telephoto lens and then enlarge the picture, to see the field marks. The western diamondback's rings are of equal width, and the diamond pattern fades less. He was a pretty good size, so I don't think he was a youngster, and he had 7 rattles - we always carry guns - I still have his rattle. by reptilist » Wed Apr 28, 2010 7:44 pm. Lastnight at approx. However, it can be much more complex than that. He called me from the pickup a minute after walking out the door. Homar. In general, snakes are quite active during the monsoon season, but it's not all that hard to find them roaming at night in May (when it almost never rains in Arizona). While everyone was looking up at the 3 Sisters, we were living on top of the 3 Sisters. Next time you see a rattlesnake watch the weather report and you will verify this. A light stripe extends from behind the eye diagonally to beyond the end of the jaw. As an example, this Mojave Rattlesnake has 3 of these scales. I thought this was strange, and had never heard of it before, so I asked an expert in Willcox, and he gave me a website that had some unusual traits to tell the difference between rattlers, and darned if that wasn't in there (I would LOVE to find that website again). Neither my husband or I are in the best of health and I'm worried about being struck. The black rings are narrower than the light rings, and often offset.

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